T.G.: Bull is offered chance to impregnate wife of a couple, but wonders about legal implications (Bull Breeding case examples and issues)

[This entry was initially posted to the original Red Keyhole blog on 5 May 2011.]

As this blog has noted, one of the more unusual sexual practices among couples involved in the Hotwife-Cuckold lifestyle is the desire to have the hotwife impregnated by a “bull” (i.e., a male sex partner outside the marital or “committed” relationship). Calling this the Bull Breeding fetish, Red Keyhole has identified this as “a significant sub-fetish among couples in this lifestyle”.

As the recent posting Bull Breeding case — White Hotwife-Cuckold couple want black “bull” to impregnate teen daughter observed, this fetishistic behavior clearly has impact on the family members personally (particularly the children resulting from such impregnation), and represents a peculiarly strong implicit assault on the monogamous nuclear family bedrock of capitalism’s social-economic structure:

What’s somewhat amazing is that the compulsive sexual arousal of the Bull Breeding fetish is so overwhelming to both hotwife and cuckold-husband (or other “committed” partner) that it dominates their behavior to the extent that the ultimate impact of raising children fathered by sexual partners outside the relationship – often, fathers who will never even interact with these children and may well remain unknown to them forever – is not seriously considered. This is a considerable departure indeed from capitalism’s monogamous-family ethic, which is focused on supposedly ensuring that offspring retain the father’s bloodline for purposes of property inheritance.


Bull Breeding (intentionally having a bull impregnate the wife or girlfriend of a couple) is extraordinarily arousing to both hotwife and cuckold (husband or boyfriend).

The following material – excerpted and adapted (for its research interest and educational value) from a number of postings in 2007 to the Tribes online sexual discussion forum – obviously involves the Breeding Bull sub-fetish.

This case (as well as associated discussion) is particularly interesting because it involves the legal ramifications of fathering a child with the wife of a married couple. In the initial posting, with the subject line “I’ve been offered the chance to impregnate another’s wife”, the basic issue is raised by a “young, virile” male identified as “T.G.”, who describes himself as a bull with about ten years of experience. T.G. expresses interest in performing this service, but requests advice about the legal implications, thus prompting an extended discussion.

The original material has been moderately edited to correct orthography and improve readability, but original language has been retained as much as possible.

I’ve been offered the chance to impregnate another’s wife

[Posted by T.G.]

A little background: I’ve been a bull off and on for the last 10 years or so and I really enjoy it. I’ve been in just about every scenario a bull can be in with a couple. I’m 32, never been married, 6’2″, athletic, well-hung, college-educated. Of course I enjoy relationships with single women too, but there’s something extra-hot about fucking another man’s wife. Not that I have to tell any of you that!

But this latest situation is a new one for me. Her husband is now sterile and on his second marriage, but she very much wants two children of her own. After much encouragement from her husband, she’s played with a few other guys, but she’s finally ready to get pregnant AND have a steady relationship with a bull.

Enter me. I’ve never gotten a woman pregnant before (that I know of), and of course until now I’d always been avoiding it. It’s definitely a turn-on, the idea of her raising my baby with him, and I’m eager to continue fucking her during her pregnancy.

It’s not a matter of me humiliating him directly, but I’m younger, more virile and more endowed than him, so there is definitely a pecking order in her mind.

I’m interested in hearing some thoughts on the pros and cons of doing this. Although I trust their sincerity, a small part of me wonders about the legal ramifications if they split up later or something like that. If anyone knows of cuckold pregnancies gone wrong, I’m interested in hearing those too. Thanks to everyone in advance!

[Posted by Nandi]

Yeah – I’ve wondered that too.

A bull should be able to feel free and confident about breeding a wife without worrying about any legal liabilities/repercussions. It should be the same as going through a sperm bank. Perhaps there is someone here with a little legal expertise in this area?

[Posted by Karl]

I am no lawyer, so don’t take this as legal advise, but it is my understanding that generally, when a child is born to a married couple, the child is legally automatically considered the child of the two married people regardless of the biological father.

The husband and wife have a right to challenge the paternity of a child for a certain length of time through a DNA paternity test. This test can be court-ordered on anyone the court thinks might be the biological father. The husband only has something like two years to challenge this, then the child is permanantly considered his legal child.

A legal contract could be written up to protect the bull in this type of situation. Consult a lawyer.

My understanding of the law is based on the laws in Oregon and it may be different in other states in some ways.

Also, in Oregon, one can call the State Bar of Oregon and ask for a “referral.” They will give a name of a lawyer for whatever topic requested and then you can get a half-hour visit with a lawyer for $35. This type of service might be available in other states and would be one way to get some cheap legal advice.

[Posted by T.G.]

In California, it’s assumed that the husband of a married woman is the father unless and until she says otherwise. At least in this state, it’s not a matter of time running out on someone’s right to challenge, but there is a matter of who the child believes his/her father is. At some point, if he’s raised a child long enough, he’s for all intents and purposes the kid’s father.

What would worry me (and it seems unlikely) is that in the event that they divorced or he died, she could name me as the child’s father. And legally, a paternity test would prove I was. Like I said, that seems unlikely, but 18 years is a long time to be liable and for things to change.

As for sperm donors, my understanding is that here it has to be anonymous and through a doctor for the donor to be totally free and clear. Maybe there are ways around it, and I wondered if anyone had heard of that. I imagine that most of the cucks here have their names on the birth certificate, which is what would happen here too.

It’s a small concern for me, but the turn-on greatly outweighs it! Honestly, I can’t wait to get her pregnant. I’d love to hear from wives, bulls, and cucks about their experiences with it.

T.G.

[Posted by Nandi]

Sounds like too good an opportunity to pass up.

[Posted by Tina]

Luckily for us, the fathers of my children have not wanted to have any legal responsibility. It was agreed that they would have no legal responsibilities in the beginning. And my husband has been a great dad. So, essentially, it can and does work.

My husband’s name is on my children’s birth certificates. Therefore, he is the legal father with all the responsibilities.

[Posted by T.G.]

Unfortunately, the couple seems to have chickened out, as I haven’t heard from them again. Pretty disappointing. 🙁

[Posted by Moor]

So you are disappointed, huh? In the grand scale of things … was it that important for you to have the opportunity to impregnate another man’s wife … and to bring a child of yours into this world … knowing that you will never be its father?

Is it because you feel that this unique arrangement … really absolves you from the guilt of taking any responsibility for the raising of a child of yours?

Or maybe it is because you anticipate the sex to be such a powerful experience in this particular instance … that everything else is secondary? After all … even if it is your child … it is likely going to be raised in a good home. Much like being a sperm donor … except you get to pick the mother … and can even pre-negotiate visitation rights.

I can see why this is very disappointing to you.

[Posted by T.G.]

Overreact much?

I’m disappointed that they broke off contact with no explanation, after giving every indication that they wanted to. A few months ago I hadn’t expected such a scenario to fall in my lap. Now it isn’t again. I’ll survive.

I’m disappointed that someone who seemed interested in sharing one of the most amazing things that could be shared now doesn’t trust me to explain what’s changed. Life goes on.

[Posted by Sissy]

It’s probably best then. Fathering a child is not something to be taken lightly. As it’s been stated, things change and crap happens.

Worse case scenario: Wife gets impregnated and dies giving birth. Cuckold husband does not want anything to do with the child and names you as the father.

I gather you are not ready to raise a child, and the last thing anybody wants is another unwanted child in this world. Fantasy is great, but pregnancy should not be included in the fantasy unless you are ready take responsibility for it yourself.

In some cases it might work out as you expect, and for some fantasies that do not work out, you might be left with hurt feelings or even divorce. An unwanted child should not be the price for unfulfilled sexual fantasy, at least in my opinion.

[Posted by Cherie]

You sound like what we need. I want to get pregnant by another man who is not my husband. My husband wants this too. More info if you like. Cherie

[Posted by Michael]

I have impregnated and had a child with a wife of a married couple. The wife wanted a child because her husband had a vasectomy.

It was the greatest sexual experience of my life to this day. Terry still emails pictures of her and her family. We communicate on the phone and IM. I only wish I could have given her more children. She was 41 at the time in 2005 when she gave birth.

I am sorry the couple that offered backed out, but if they were not 100% sure, it’s for the best. If you do get another chance, JUMP AT IT.

[Posted by Sebastian]

BRO! I have done this 4 times so far for a few couples in [California], and it has been a wonderful and fun [experience] … Me and my brother both have fucked a wife, and were not sure who is the dad, but it was FUN for both her [and] the husband and for us … The baby is healthy and they love the kid…! If given the chance again, go for it … Hopefully the couple doesn’t flake…